Cycle2max Forums - Gossip Munchers - Lance - Cheat or no cheat? - Messages http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Cycle2max Forums - Gossip Munchers - Lance - Cheat or no cheat? - Messages en-us http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Jitbit AspNetForum Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:11:58 GMT Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:11:58 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from andrew rowling
http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8559364

As a commercial partner, there are clearly implications to our brand image and as a company that has built an association with cycling to support its belief in `The True Spirit Of Competition', our reputation and credibility has potentially been significantly damaged."

Always thought Nike makes much better (and cheaper cycling/running products-and soccer shirts)

though this makes me laugh even more

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/armstrongs-fraud-paralleled-epo-makers-feud

and this

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci-to-investigate-vinokourovs-liege-bastogne-liege-victory

perhaps the only thing not under investigation is how many extra liters of blood "Vino" had to win the Olympics road race.
edited by andrew rowling on 6/11/2012]]> Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:11:58 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from Jonathan Panoff As for Australans taking drugs and in particular Cadel. Well, logic dictates that he may have taken drugs at some point in his career. I'd be surprised if he any drugs now as just watching him race he is riding like a human with guts, determination and suffering. Back in the late 80s, when I used to race, I have my suspicions about systematic doping in the AIS squads and I suspect the riders never knew anything about it. I will elaborate. It was commonly known that the AIS riders took "vitamins" via syringes. Add to this that the road squad had an East German coach (why bring in an eastern block coach if not to learn how to do systematic doping as this was their speciality), a lot of money being spent on AIS programs and the need to deliver Gold medals, and it all adds up to a well organised doping program. And, as I have stated earlier, I believe the riders thought they were getting vitamins not drugs.
Idealistically I hate drug use as it negates natural ability, probably shortens your life and isn't great for the sport and especially the young kids but logically I see why guys would take them to be on a level playing field...]]> Sat, 04 Feb 2012 03:34:44 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from andrew rowling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXPXHK7I1iQ
Also I thought if Landis was doping so was Armstrong, either both or none, not one and not the other-
they are not mutually exclusive events for those into maths and probability.]]> Fri, 20 Jan 2012 13:16:53 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from Kerry-Lynn Dixon Brett Aitken wrote:
Just wondering if anyone has seen the youtube videos of the 60 minutes program with Tyler Hamilton accusing Lance of drug taking. What's the verdict? Do you think he's telling the truth or not?


Yes, I saw that interview.

I thought it was very convincing, and frankly, what has Hamilton got to lose now?
I love Lance, but I doubt very much that he is clean. It is really a tragedy, because the fact is, he does a lot of good. Has done wonders for the sport, for cancer and is a wonderful mentor. So, should taking performance enhancing drugs eradicate all the good?

One point which I think was very interesting, and changed my thinking a bit, was the comment that if Tyler had stolen the yellow jersey from someone else, chances are that they didn't deserve the jersey either.

Now, if you tell me Cadel Evans takes drugs - I'll shoot myself....it's just not the Aussie thing to do!]]> Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:38:47 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from John Van Seters ]]> Wed, 08 Jun 2011 17:52:05 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from Ross H
It's a shame for cycling that these doping incidents seem to take so so long to resolve, as with the Contador case. Why can't they (i.e. UCI, WADA etc) just make a decision based on the evidence; that is, in both Armstrong's and Contador's cases, is there proof that they doped. You would have to say "yes" for Contador as he did return a positive blood test, and a tentative "no" to Armstrong as, far as I know, he's never officially tested positive.]]> Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:31:21 GMT http://www.cycle2max.com/forum/messages.aspx?TopicID=428 Message from Brett Aitken Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:56:32 GMT